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Subject: CDF Lookout Data
From: Danny McLean

01/21/2001

Here are some notes that I have made from two reports in my possession. The 2 reports are titled: Draft Environmental Impact Report prepared for THE DRAFT MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY AND FIRE PROTECTION'S {CDF} HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES & DRAFT MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR CDF'S HISTORIC BUILDING'S AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES.

1.) Only 36 of CDF's 73 lookouts are staffed during fire season. The other 37 forest fire lookouts are closed & no longer used for fire detection purposes, although many lookouts provide telecommunications support by housing radio equipment, towers, and vaults.

2.) CDF study: "An Inventory and Historical Significance Evaluation of CDF Fire Lookout Stations" (CDF Archaeological Reports Number 12, April 1933). The first study updated a 1987 historic significance evaluation of 173 Forest Serv lookout stations in California.

3.) The following 29 CDF historic buildings {for these notes I will list only the 10 lookouts as that is the subject of interest for now} were selected for historic preservation and management.

1 Boucher Hill Lookout {'48} San Diego Cnty
2 Calandra Lookout {'44} Monterey Cnty
3 Chalone Peak Lookout {'52} Monterey Cnty
4 Cold Spring Lookout {'65} Mendocino Cnty
5 Digger Butte Lookout {'36} Tehama Cnty
6 Dyer Mtn Lookout {'34} Plumas Cnty
7 Fowler Peak Lookout {Old-early 30's} Calaveras Cnty
8 Hayden Hill Lookout {Old} '40 Lassen CNty
9 Mount Danaher Lookout {'49} Eldorado Cnty
10 Sid Ormsbee Lookout {'48} Monterey
(the number in parentheses is the year built)

4.) The initial survey listed a total of 86 buildings, w/24 of those as being lookouts including the list above. So to sum up. The initial list of 86 {w/24 lookouts} was narrowed down to 29 {W/10 Lookouts} as building in which CDF would retain and preserve w/all others as being lost. There is still a chance of some transfers to other Agencies, but CDF will not budget any future funds for the buildings that didn't survive the final list.

As I learn more I will past along to you.


BTW have you heard of, seen or read the report cited above: CDF study: "An Inventory and Historical Significance Evaluation of CDF Fire Lookout Stations" (CDF Archaeological Reports Number 12, April 1933). The first study updated a 1987 historic significance evaluation of 173 Forest Serv lookout stations in California. If you have please advise as to where I may view & read.


Thanking you in advance
Danny Mc lean

Subject: Tope Creek Lookout
From: Ray Kresek (rkresek@webtv.net)

5/11/2000

Check this out:

http://www.brianwizard.com/topecrk

It is in NE Oregon just north of Wallowa. The tower is 103' wood, built in 1936; sold by the Oregon Dept of Forestry at auction in 1984.

Brian Wizard is its proud owner & year-round resident.

Ray

Subject: 2 Answers for the FFLA Web Page
From: Roy Schweiker (roy.schweiker@juno.com)

5/11/2000

I'm delighted to see the Camp Colby ME photo posted by Dave Quam, Mark Haughwout & I were on site last year and found the remains of 2 lookouts, one (presumably this) of dimension lumber and one of logs. While the lookout itself may be little-known, Mark talked to an older gentleman in Sherman who was quite familiar with Camp Colby as it was the stables for a couple hundred teams of horses used in logging.

Regarding coordinates for "Lost" lookouts, if the lookout is near a named geographic feature go to www.topozone.com and enter the name, it will give the coordinates of all features with that name, select the correct choice from the list and it will show a map. Another choice is to go to mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html and enter the name and it will provide information including coordinates, you can also get maps from here but it's harder and they're not standard USGS maps :-).

Subject: Fire Lookout History
From: Ken Schory (schory@email.msn.com)

3/20/2000

I have something I believe will be of historical and general interest to you and your colleagues. In 1916, my grandfather graduated from Cornell University's Forestry program and took a summer job as a Forest Service fire lookout on Coolwater Mountain in Idaho. Afterward, he wrote a fascinating journal of the experience -- Indians, lightning, snow and all -- and illustrated it with photographs he took at the time. I have transcribed the journal and put it out on the Internet for the enjoyment and edification of others.

http://www.kenschory.com/GAB/gab_idaho.htm

I would like your help in making this available to as broad an interested audience as possible.

Thanks!

I would appreciate knowing what you do with it.

Best regards,

Ken Schory

Subject: Lookouts in the Spokane Area
From: Washington DNR

1/26/2000

To Interested Parties:

This is to inform those who may have an interest in the Northeast Region's plans for the decommissioning of the fire lookouts on Mount Spokane and Lookout Point.

Both of these lookouts have served in the location of wildfires in the Spokane area for years. The need for these lookouts has diminished. The lookouts were last used in 1994. Due to the fact that these lookouts are no longer being used, and not located on state land, the Northeast Region has three options: remove, sell (with removal required), or transfer ownership to the current landowner.

In the case of Mount Spokane, it is located on State Parks Land, and they have demonstrated an interest in retaining this lookout on the site. Lookout Point's disposition is still uncertain at this time, with the same options available.

The following comment, regarding the Mount Spokane lookout, is from Randy Warnock, who has supervised the maintenance of this lookout in the past. "The lookout was built by the Department of Natural Resources Carpenter Shop in 1980. The site receives some of the worst weather on any of the mountain top sites that we work at around the state." State Parks should contact Randy for suggestions on maintenance for that particular lookout site. You can contact Randy through the Northeast Region office.

If you have any questions on the decommissioning of these lookouts, please contact Dick Dunton, Northeast Region, Assistant Manager, Resources Protection & Services, at (509) 684-7474. The comment period will end February 1, 2000.

Dick Dunton
NE Region Dept. of Natural Resources
P.O. Box 190 Colville WA 99114

From: hazelhurst@telstra.easymail.com.au
Subject: Fire Towers in Australia

12/7/1999

Good day, to whom it may concern. I recently came across your web site, and coming up to the driest summer in years, I thought you maybe interested to see how the down unders live. I have included a picture of the tower that I live in for the next 5 months. I have many more photos of the tower and surrounding views, in case you are interested I would be more than happy to swap photos and yarns. Il'l keep this short in case it does not get there.

Kindest regards,
Gerrie Bussem..

From: An article in the San Diego Union-Tribune on 11-28-99
Subject: About a woman who loves her life in a lookout tower brought back fond memories

Sixty years ago this last summer (1939) I reported for work with the Payette NF (Idaho) for the second year. The previous year was spent, with a partner and our four horses doing repair and maintenance work on the Pistol Creek and Sulfur Creek drainages. These are tributaries of the Middle Fork of the Salmon R. My second year I was assigned to the Chicoot Lookout. I went up as soon as the fire season opened and stayed until time to go back to the University of Idaho for my senior year as a Forest Management student.

The Lookout was a frame structure with windows all around and the firefinder in the middle of the cabin, which as I can best recall was about 14" by 14". The elevation was betwwen 9,000 and 10,000. Can't remember the exact figure and no longer have a map of the area. At that elevation there was no need for a tower, the lookout just sat on the top of a rugged mountain about five mile from the end of the nearest road.

Since all supplies had to be brought in by pack horse once a month, the first order of business was to order food for 30 days. Basics were flour (25 lbs. for sour dough pancakes and biscuits), sugar, eggs(1/2 crate), bacon(1/2 side), jam(5lb.tin), canned fruit and vegetables and condensed milk, potatoes, onions, and dry beans. Before the summer was over I was really looking forward to fresh milk and meat.

The daily routine started about daylight with a trip to the spring. This spring was about 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile down the mountain. I had a 5 gallon canvas water bag with shoulder straps that I brought up each day, If there was any water left at the end of the day it went into the washtub and by the end of the week there was generally enough for a bath and the laundry.

Communicaton in those days consisted of a single wire telephone with a crank by which you rang a combination of short and long rings depending on the party you wanted to call. There probably were not more than a half a dozen of us on the line beside the switch board operator who was at the District Station. As you can imagine this was a remote location. Except for the monthly delivery of food, my parents and one friend, very few people visited. I went 30 days one time without seeing anyone.

About 99% of the fires in the area I covered were caused by lightning. Whenever a fire started the nearest man ( there were no women in those days) was sent and if that meant vacating a station, someone else was sent to take you place.

Only once that summer did I have to leave the lookout because I was the closest one to the strike. We had knapsacks with rations; that and a pulaski and our two legs did the rest. We hiked to the fire, hopefully contained it, stayed until it cooled down and then returned to our station.

The facilities were the traditional outhouse, wood was available for the cutting and all cooking was on a wood burning stove. The stove, fire finder and bed springs were all grounded. If an elecrical storm headed directly toward the lookout, the telephone was disconnected and I sat in the middle of the bed until the storm passed.

Darrel Johnson,the son of a family who had a pack station in the area, was on the lookout to the north of Chilcoot. We spent a lot of time on the telephone but I wonder now what in the world we talked about. When my parents came up they brought me a kitten that I named Shakespeare. It was good company for the rest of the summer.

This was my fourth season of pursuing my dream to being a forester. The next year would be on Thunderbolt Lookout of the other side of the District with my bride of less than a week, but that is another story.

Norm Gray (dngray@juno.com)

Hello fellow lookouts. I was a lookout in Oregon and Washington in the 1950s.My family was with me and it was a wonderful experience for five summers.

My special interests related to UFO sightings by lookouts and USFS employees. My wife and I had two very dramatic sightings at Flat Top lookout in Washington in 1959. A few years ago I decided to put together a study of UFO sightings by other lookouts. I have collected almost 50 sightings over the last three years. I would like to expand that initial effort.

My research was made to present to the USFS in Washington DC. The purpose was to alert the USFS that very unusual anomalies are seen from time to time and that they should be reported to the National UFO HOT LINE in Seattle. (Which gets well over 8,000 reports a year from many sources)

My study continues and if you would like to report your experiences (or give me leads to other Lookouts) I would appreciate it. I can assure your anonymity. Most lookouts do not see such anomalies but those who have experienced very unusual events do not forget them.

Thus far I have had several problems:
** First of all, I have had trouble finding ways to announce my study.
** I have had some lookouts “tell me”” of their experiences but refuse to write them down. I can only assume that lookout jobs are so hard to come by that they do not want to risk any “trouble” with supervisors.
** I have had trouble reaching “lookouts of the past” and hearing their stories. It seems to me that seems the older lookouts are more liable to tell their experiences.

I am going to prepare a shortened report of the pilot study that I sent to USFS. (The original report was 21 pages) It would give you some idea what I have done. I will be happy to share information with you. The longer report gets pretty expensive to mail out. If you know of anyone who might want to share their experiences, or who would like to talk about this- let me know.

Jim Doerter : Retired college teacher
80 Scenic Drive, Ashland, Oregon 97520 541-482-4859
OregonOtto@aol.com

Subject: Ideas on towers Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:48:06 -0400
From: "Philip Seagraves" <glassetc@finegifts.com>

I'm trying to find where I can get plans/parts to build my own fire tower or a surplus tower that I could buy/transport and reassamble etc. Any ideas -- Philip Seagraves

Hi Dave, I had a request from a state park naturalist to locate a tower

study booklet done by the National Park Sevice. It was done several years

ago and he's trying to locate a copy. Anyway to put the word out on the

web site? Curt.

I have two towers that I have taken down and now have decided to sell. They both are complete and in good shape. One is 100' to the bottom of the7'X7' lookout & the other is 46'. They have stairs and are made of galvanized steel. The are in central Minn. If you have any questions or leads, please contact me. Thank you

I have had these questions for some time. On page 19 of the October 1998 issue of National Woodlands there is a picture of Burke Mtn. Tower and Point Mtn. Point Mtn. is shown as a 60' Aermotor LS- 40. The noticeable difference in these two towers is the stair configuration. Both types or models are used in Missouri. I have also noticed, I believe, three different cab configurations of the 7 X 7 steel. The big difference is the number of windows in the cab. Can you offer an explanation of the different models? Can you point me in the direction of someone who can? Do you know of any publications that may offer information? I have also noticed some towers have a tag that says "Aermotor - Chicago, Ill." and some say Aermotor - Broken Arrow, OK." Do you know the significance of the difference?---Can anyone answer him...Dave

Hello there, I was wondering if you would be able to help point me in the right direction. I'm interested in finding some information about who or where I can go to seek employment in fire lookouts in Canada. So far I haven't had any luck finding a site. Thanks, Dave

I have had these questions for some time. On page 19 of the October 1998 issue of National Woodlands there is a picture of Burke Mtn. Tower and Point Mtn. Point Mtn. is shown as a 60' Aermotor LS- 40. The noticeable difference in these two towers is the stair configuration. Both types or models are used in Missouri. I have also noticed, I believe, three different cab configurations of the 7 X 7 steel. The big difference is the number of windows in the cab. Can you offer an explanation of the different models? Can you point me in the direction of someone who can? Do you know of any publications that may offer information? I have also noticed some towers have a tag that says "Aermotor - Chicago, Ill." and some say Aermotor - Broken Arrow, OK." Do you know the significance of the difference?

Thanks for any assistance. John ....Jtimrmn@aol.com

Hello! I am a Professor of Geography involved in research on the historic fire lookout towers of Glacier National Park, Montana. I would appreciate it very much if you could inform me of work done by the Forest Fire Lookout Association concerning lookout towers in Glacier Park. I am working on a book-length manuscript concerning these lookouts, how to reach them (or the ruins/sites where they stood), etc. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated!....With best wishes,.........David R. Butler Professor of Geography, and Director, Center for Environmental Geography and Hazards Research.

Southwest Texas State University

From: <paynter@cc.northcoast.com>

Currently enjoying Ray Kresek's Fire Lookouts of the Northwest, 3rd Edition.  FFLA is mentioned in the text.  Inspection of the FFLA website appears to predominately concerned with east coast lookouts. In the past both family and friends have served as lookouts (Douglas Forest Protective Association, Oregon), which I have many good memories while growing up.  More recently, the "little lady" and myself have rented Snowcamp Mtn lookout (in the southwest portion of Oregon) numerous times in the last four years.One of my hobbies/interest is local history.  Which Del Norte County, California, and Curry County, Oregon, has a colorful mining and logging background.   Further, both Counties had there share of lookouts, unfortunately most are gone into oblivion.   Tell me more about FFLA.  Do you have a local representative?  Do you have any  southern Oregon and northern California sources of lookout information?  Steve and Ellie Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:59:41 -0700 From: "Steve Paynter"

<paynter@cc.northcoast.com>

Can you tell me how many forest fires there are today compared to the 1940's. I'm writing a lesson plan about Smokey Bear for seniors and I can't seem to locate this statistic. I know the fire prevention program has helped and the seniors want to know the real numbers. Maybe you could point us in the right direction. Thanks- Julie Brady at Keelty@aol.com.

Hello. I am doing some research on forest fire fighting methods .Some of the area that I really need to know is that the effectiveness of the methods. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks for your help. Anthony Alok Ijon.

Currently enjoying Ray Kresek's Fire Lookouts of the Northwest, 3rd Edition.  FFLA is mentioned in the text.  Inspection of the FFLA website appears to predominately concerned with east coast lookouts. In the past both family and friends have served as lookouts (Douglas Forest Protective Association, Oregon), which I have many good memorieswhile growing up.  More recently, the "little lady" and myself have rented Snowcamp Mtn lookout (in the southwest portion of Oregon) numerous times in the last four years.

One of my hobbies/interest is local history.  Which Del Norte County, California, and Curry County, Oregon, has a colorful mining and logging background.   Further, both Counties had there share of lookouts, unfortunately most are gone into oblivion.  

 Tell me more about FFLA.  Do you have a local representative?  Do you have any  southern Oregon and northern California sources of lookout information? 

I look forward to your reply. ......Steve and Ellie ...

"Steve Paynter" <paynter@cc.northcoast.com>

The Fall 1998 issue of New Jersey Outdoors magazine (a publication of the NJ Dept. of Environmental Protection, which also houses the NJ Forest Fire Service) will include an article related to fire towers in our state. The article was written by an NJFFS intern and reviewed by Maris Gabliks, supervisor of NJFFS's Office of Prevention and Training.

Anyway . . . the following paragraph appears toward the end of the article:

" To prevent the complete extinction of the towers, the Forest Fire Lookout Association (FFLA) was founded. It has grown into an international organization of nearly 800 members. In addition to maintaining and restoring these structures, the FFLA works in conjunction with the National Historic Lookout Register to list and protect the remaining towers. It also strives to educate others about the purpose and importance of the towers and, according to Spear, the group has succeeded.  "Because of the FFLA, people have done a 360," he said."

In a sidebar, we plan to include contact information for New Jersey's three forest fire management division offices and would like to include contact information, as well as the URL (great site, by the way!), for the Forest Fire Lookout Association. Can you help me out by providing a contact name and address and -- if possible -- phone number?

Thanks so much.

Denise Damiano Mikics

Editor, New Jersey Outdoors

Subject: Sterling Forest, NY Firetower
From: Diane Bamford <dbamford@hq.gte.com>

Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:05:01 -0500

Just wanted to let you know that our Sterling Forest Fire Tower page is up. Visitors can access the page under the "New Trails", "Sterling Forest" , "Ridge Trail" and clicking on the big red fire tower on the central section of the map. We described our visit to the fire tower. You can link to this page at the address below.

http://www.adk-nyc.org/newtrails_SF.htm

This page is a new addition, beyond our Catskill Fire Tower pages. You may want to note it in your news list. Any additional information or events related to this tower, we would be happy to publish. Just let us know.

Thank you. Diane Bamford (dbamf1128@aol.com)

ADK Knickerbocker Chapter Program Chair (ADK-NYC)

http://home.rmci.net/emlo/

On a recent hike sponsored by the Knickerbocker Chapter (NYC) of the Adirondack Mountain Club on the Sterling Forest Ridge Trail recently opened once again because NYS finally purchased a large portion of Sterling Forest, we discovered the Sterling Forest Fire Tower and met Bob Spear who directed us to the FFLA web site. The KN Chapter is actively supporting the Catskill Fire Tower Restoration Project. We hosted a program in NYC presented by George Profous, NYSDEC, Region 3, Sr. Forester (the original spark plug behind the Catskill Restoration effort) and developed several pages on our web site WWW.ADK-NYC.ORG describing and supporting this effort. We enjoyed speaking to Bob and learning all about the SF Fire Tower and the efforts of the FFLA. We hope to link with your site shortly and also with the Adirondack Fire Tower (Maggie's) site as well.Best of luck in your efforts.

Diane Bamford

Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:24:45 -0400

Hello. I am doing some research on fire towers that can be visited by tourists across the United States. I'm also interested in finding out about lodging at or around these fire towers. Do you have any suggestions? Are most fire towers part of the National Park Servie in any way? Thanks for your help.

Sincerely, Nancy Steed

I would be interested in more information about your organization.  I am a Forest Service District Ranger in California on the Six Rivers National Forest.   We have a historic lookout tower on Kettenpom Peak that we are attempting to restore.  I would be interested in networking with others who are working on similar projects.

 Marcia Andre

Do you have a favorite "Lookout" Recipe?

If so, please send the recipe, your name, your lookout's name and a photo of yourself at the lookout. The older black and white photos can be the most interesting, but newer ones are needed too.

Ultimate Goal: to crate a "Lookout cookbook" with historical information on lookouts across America. the cookbook will include photos of lookouts (the people and structures), information on different lookout styles and favorite lookout recipes. The cookbook will be sold in various outdoor stores as a fundraiser for the Forest Fire Lookout Association.

Please send what you can to:

Libby Langston -------Missoula Ranger District---Bldg. 24-a, Fort Missoula, Missoula MT 59801

(406) 329-37500 .....wildfire@Montana.com

All photos will be returned. Be sure to write your name address, phone number andname of the lookout on the back of all photos. include year of photo!

Checklist of what you should send:

1.Recipe (creative name preferred)

2.Your name:

Address:

Phone number:

3.Photo of lookout (preferably taken with you in it as the lookout)

Name of lookout:

Year of photo

(Be sure to write your name address, phone number and name of the lookout on the backof all photos)

4.Number of seasons as a lookout

5.Quotable quote about your experiences as a lookout:

Subject: Can you help?
From: Hankins <firemn2b@pacbell.net>

Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:53:18 -0700

My name is Tim Hankins I'm currently a Fire Explorer with my local Fire Dept. in California. I will be starting college in the fall working towards a A/S Degree in Fire Science. I'm interested in spending some time at a Fire Lookout Station in my area this summer and I was wondering if you knew who I should contact about doing so. Any advice would be very much appreciated. Thank You

Agamenticus Forest Fire Lookout Tower- Watching over Southern Maine since 1991.

The tower opened on April 10th, 1997 and closed on October 29th, 1997.Due to limited manpower available and a wetter than normal summer, the tower was not staffed often during CLASS 1 & 2 Fire Danger Days in 1997. We had over 1000 visitors climb to the top of the tower, some of them from 14 different countries across the world! The Spring Fire Season of 1998 has proved to be busier and drier than normal. The volunteers have already, as of May 1st, spotted and reported 37 fires, 1 of these being a structure and 1 a fishing boat fire. We are always looking for that right person who would like to become a volunteer fire spotter. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are the toughest days to keep the tower covered. If anyone is interested in being trained to work the tower, please contact either:

Dave Hilton at 363-2908 or Jon Chamblee at 646-1113.

I am currently looking for place to obtain a model lookout tower for an exhibit. I don't know if one exist, but I figured that your orgainzation might know of one. Any help with this would be appreciated. I really enjoyed visiting your web page. There is a lot of interesting information to go through. I have been with the South Carolina Forestry Commission for 24 years and have seen a lot of changes in fire detection. I work with the South Carolina Forestry Commission , 39 General Henderson Rd., Newberry, S C. 29108. Phone # 803-276-0205

Thanks for your help........... J.Charles Ramsey, Regiona Forester

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:56:43 -0400

To: quam@paulbunyan.net

HI! As far as I know, I'm the only eastern Canadian member of the FFLA, My family and I had the pleasure of going to the conference in Maine last summer and meeting many great people. I've run Barr tower for over 20 years and my husband's parents,26yrs.,before me. ( see my tower picture on LO's of MAINE ).I check out your page often,and hope to see more Canadian's join us.

best regards, Kelly MacKinnon ,R.R.1 Shubenacadie, N.S. BON 2HO

e-mail, Lmack@ns.sympatico.ca

Have you ever been in the northern woods, seen a soaring fire lookout tower in the distance, and wanted to climb it? Here's your chance at this new program featuring the fire lookout tower at the Forest History Center. The lookout tower was an important public safety device developed in the 1930s. Learn about the contemporary use and status of the nation's towers. Create a fire break with 1930s hand tools.

Time: 10 a.m. - 5 p.m.

Fee: $5 for adults, $4 for senior citizens, $3 for children ages 6-15.

Date:Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:27:36 -0500

To: "'quam@paulbunyan.net'" <quam@paulbunyan.net>

Hello David,

Do you know anyone interested in purchasing a disassembled 100ft. steel lookout tower with a 22ft. base and 7ft. cab? The tower is a 100-ft. galvanized steel lookout tower with a 7-ft. cab...manufactured by aermotor co..model unknow...it was located on pine mountain in alcorn county, mississippi...the tower was erected in 1949 and disassembled in 1998....will offer in it's entirety or smaller portions.....sl.....

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:40:20 -0800

Dave,

I stumbled upon your FFLOA web page while checking out triax web pages.

In 60-61, I belonged to the fire supression crew at Blue River Ranger Station, Blue River OR. Willamette Nat Forest, before Cougar Res. was built.Some of my best memorys were of going to the local grocery store and buying a gallon of ice cream to take up to one of the lookouts.I would wrap it up tight in newspaper and run as fast as I could up the trails, accross creeks etc. to get to the lookout before it melted.

At the lookout we would get on the radio and call the other lookouts and brag about how cold it tasted. Needless to say, I was always invited to spend the next weekend at someone'elses lookout.Also, I remember spending the weekend at a lookout, and the next morning hearing someone hailing us from below. It was a man and his wife out following the trails,and they asked If they could come up and share breakfast with us.

The wife made pancakes, and while talking, I found out the husband had worked for my grandfather on his ranch in Lakeview, OR. years ago. Small world.

Thanks for bringing back the memorys,

Don Coons